Tuesday, July 23, 2019

Death Battle Fight Prediction: Lobo (DC) vs. Ghost Rider (Marvel)

A huge spoiler for the next fight it's Lobo versus Ghost Rider baby!!!

Hi everyone I'm Jack Red, today I tackle a rather unusual kind of a fight to the death. Both of these fighters are widely known for having truly ridiculous regeneration. In other words, the big question you must ask yourselves is a rather simple question to get a complex answer. Who can truly kill the other person?

Lobo

Lobo is a galactic bounty hunter with a horrible attitude. Sometimes fights some of the strongest beings there is including the Man of Steel. Lobo is the last of his kind with a twist. He arranged a horrible attack on his own race killing them all to gain immortality. This forced the ban from both Heaven & Hell preventing most ways to die closed.

Ghost Rider

Keep in mind, several people shared the mantle for the most part. Robbie is more of his own take since a different demon possessed him that is more about killing. Anyway most people that take the mantle fight the supernatural to protect mostly our world for terrifying threats. Ghost Rider is considered to be one of the most powerful superheroes in existence.

Before I go into everything else, I am mostly focusing on Johnny & Daniel for this prediction blog. It is very likely one of them will be facing Lobo on Death Battle. So you can't get upset if I miss something.

Powers and Abilities
Lobo

+Czarnian Physiology (confirmed to only be killed by his own kind)
+Superhuman Strength (over 100 tons class)
+Superhuman Stamina (limitless)
+Immortality
+Invulnerability
+Self-Sustenance (doesn't require anything to survive)
+Ridiculous regeneration
+Bio-Fission (a weird method for clones)
+Genius Level Intellect (I know a shocker)
+Tracking
+Multingualism (according to Lobo can speak 17,897 different languages)
+Morse Code (believe it or not this is important to him)
+Expert Combatant

Ghost Rider

+Superhuman Strength (Lifting by default to 25 tons)
+Superhuman Stamina (limitless)
+Superhuman Durability
+Ridiculous regeneration
+Empathic Reading
+Identity Detection (he can know who you are by looking at you)
+Supernatural Awareness (anything supernatural close by alerts him)
+Sin Manipulation (it relates to your sins that determines what he will do to you)
+Sin Perception (by looking into your soul will see all of your sins)
+Sin Eating (he literately can remove/absorb any sin from anyone)
+Hellfire Manipulation
+Hellfire Infusion (alters whatever he touches through Hellfire)
+Hellfire Projection (essentially Hell theme attacks similar to super powers)
+Hellfire Forgery (capable of creating stuff through Hellfire)
+Hellfire Telekinesis
+Hellfire Attacks
+Hell Firestorm (manipulates the rain to incinerate his enemies)
+Soul Manipulation
+Soul Reading
+Soul Consumption (capable of stealing souls while the bodies to become lifeless)
+Dimensional Travel
+Mystical Chain Projection
+Demon Magic Manipulation
+Penance Stare (possibly the scariest power he has)
+Self-Size Alteration (capable of growing in size)
+Expert Stunt Rider/Motorcyclist
+Skilled Hand to Hand Combatant
+Occult Knowledge
+Essentially limitless with Zarathos in control

Weaknesses
Lobo

Lobo has a very bad temper that usually gets him into trouble. Due to being unable to die, he does get careless during combat. Speaking of that, he does keep his promises even it endangers him. Most of his attacks won't work on Ghost Rider.

Ghost Rider

It is a mixed bag when Zarathos takes control. Unfortunately entering churches or stepping on holy blessed grounds turns him back to normal. He lacks a solid way to put Lobo down for good. His soul theme powers are essentially useless in this fight. It is confirmed holy weapons can actually harm him during combat.

Advantages
Lobo

+Superior default strength rivaling Superman
+Superior default durability
+Superior default speed
+Faster vehicle
+More unpredictable
+Very likely to get under Ghost Rider's bones (he has no skin sue me)
+More likely to adapt during combat
+Flight forces Ghost Rider to quickly change his tactics

Ghost Rider

+Superior potential thanks to Zarathos being essentially limitless
+Superior overall max stats
+Way more god like powers
+Through Zarathos does have more confirm experience
+Due to his sin theme powers can quickly track Lobo
+Superior arsenal

Disadvantages
Lobo

-He has very bad temper
-Not as many powers & abilities as Ghost Rider
-By default can't actually harm Ghost Rider since he lacks holy weapons

Ghost Rider

-Some of his powers are essentially useless against Lobo
-Due to Lobo's biology, Ghost Rider can't take advantage of it to kill him
-Entering churches or stepping on holy blessed places disables his powers
-Really has to push himself to start holding his own against Lobo
-In a few cases, Zarathos has taken control without warning
-Lobo could easily force a distance battle forcing Ghost Rider to rapidly change strategies
-Ends up becoming predictable during the fight
-Even destroying Lobo's soul doesn't affect his ability to continue living

Verdict

Obviously a lot of first reactions will be stuff like this. "Oh man this is going to be another stomp." "Why another Marvel vs DC fight guys?" "Why even bother with two immortal characters?" "Holy crap they are finally bringing both of them on there I really can not wait." I am very sure you will have at least one of these reactions.

This is clearly a case only one stats truly matters. You could be way stronger but lack a solid way to win or being a truly god like being not capable of eliminating the threat.. I think durability in general should be your main focus. It is no secret, both of these characters have some truly broken regeneration with no clear limits.

Which would be rare even for Death Battle. Obviously no matter what one or the other does. The result will be the same every single time. So I did some digging yesterday for several hours on and off. I didn't want to lose my sanity over something like this. Thankfully I did find a way for one of them to die.

You see Ghost Rider might still apply to being the character until dawn. Unless something particular happens that allows him to continue being Ghost Rider. Even if it doesn't, there is something that can disable his powers instantly. Trust me this will sound like a bad joke, I thought it was at first myself. Basically by entering a church or stepping on holy blessed grounds will instantly disable them.

Now even if this doesn't occur during this fight. Death Battle does have a habit of bringing in stuff to make some of their fights interesting. Yes I am looking at you RoboCop vs. Terminator with that laser weapon. So knowing they are likely to do it again. It does state holy weapons can actually harm Ghost Rider meaning Lobo can use those to kill him.

Of course this will take some time for Lobo to figure out during the fight. Now let's get to the elephant in the room. By default, Ghost Rider will have a difficult battle ahead of time even with his powers. Lobo held his own against some of the most powerful beings in existence including Superman.

Ghost Rider is a much weaker character by default in comparison. However to some degree he can increase his size as well as how much of his powers he's using. The craziest scenario being if Zarathos decides to take control becoming a limitless being. Clearly Lobo held his own against Superman whose essentially has limitless potential.

So in theory he can handle Zarathos in this fight. Unfortunately for Ghost Rider, there's a very strict way to kill Lobo. He can only die by his own race. Which he wiped most of them out of existence through an attack he caused. He actually kills women he got pregnant for that reason. In this particular reason, he needs to bleed that creates clones.

Temporary all Lobos will be mortal but as soon as the second to last Lobo dies. The surviving one gains the ban that prevents all forms of death. Essentially this won't be like Guts vs Nightmare. No this is more like Bowser vs Ganon due to having a strict way to die. You know the kind most forms of it are useless but doing the only way can be difficult to pull off sorta thing.

In this particular case, there is no possible angle Ghost Rider can take advantage of fully killing Lobo. In fact, they can only kill each other making it even worse for Ghost Rider. I know some people's big question is what about the penance stare? Ghost Rider using it can kill you by forcing the pain of others on you for an eternity.

Even through it or stealing souls allows him to destroy em spiritually. Yet Lobo's body was still functioning fine without a soul. In most cases, if your soul gets destroyed, it will be a death among a death. However here it won't stop Lobo at all. Now this is very rare in both universes not including gods for living creatures to do.

Also if you enjoy infecting pain onto others or have no regrets doing it makes the penance stare useless. There was a time Ghost Rider used it on The Punisher but surprised he really had no real regrets. It is very likely one or both of those will play a factor in that as well for Lobo. Now going back to Ghost Rider having a difficult fight against him.

Some powerful characters like Hulk can easily dominate him. Although Hulk himself did state Ghost Rider is one of the exceptions he can't smash. No not in that way you sick bastards lol. So if he struggles against the likes of Hulk & some members of The Avengers. Then this should be an easy fight for Lobo to win.

To sum it all up, Ghost Rider lacks a way to fully kill Lobo for good. In vice versa, Lobo could knock him into a church or any holy blessed grounds. Thus removing his powers to quickly take him out in the process. Even if Zarathos takes control, he wouldn't be much different from that of Superman. Most of Ghost Rider's powers are essentially useless against Lobo especially soul theme ones.

Winner: Lobo

3 comments:

  1. i dont know if you stated it or not but when has lobo survive soul destruction? you mentioned his body can function without a soul?

    also i was under the impression that penance stare didnt give a shit about regret. if you sinned and kill/hurt someone you feel the pain of all the people you hurt/killed as your soul gets burned.

    another thing is that i thought ghost riders attacks that damage the soul can kill/destroy the soul without the soul being sent to either heaven or hell which would circumvent the immortality lobo has that is based on the ban from heaven or hell he has.

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  2. I didn't state soul destruction because I honestly didn't know about it. What I see is the penance stare will fail for a few reasons. Lobo is likely to fall under three of them alone. I don't think soul destruction would kill Lobo due to his ban. Ghost Rider has died during fights before. Likely using something he's vulnerable to like Hellfire or Holy weapons.

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  3. To clarify I did state to some degree there was a time he didn't have his soul. So simply based on that I figured Ghost Rider destroying his soul will not kill him.

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