I just need to say I previously done predictions on this fight. But when I did majority of them in the past, it was only non canon Broly. I have taken time to look into this new, canon Broly. Honestly, it didn't change my argument up enough to matter.
Hello everyone I'm Jack Red, Over the years there's one particular fight debate that brought me the most pain. One that just the very thought of it causes me to lose control in rage. I am talking about Hulk vs. Broly, I knew for a few years they had to do this one. Easily, one of the biggest requests for both characters on their show.
Believe it or not, I'm actually siding with Hulk for this upcoming episode. I could lose everyone's time by listing every single Hulk feat on the internet. But let's be honest, you just need to know the ones that helps determines who would win in a fight. I am already expecting some unpleasant comments coming my way just making this.
I want to do the actual argument first before showing some of Hulk's feats. There's a reason behind doing it differently here. Hulk has a long history of overpowering his opponents, ridiculous regeneration & adapting to anything with no clear problems. The summary of all of my argument is Hulk virtually can survive most possible scenarios that could happen.
Also, Broly may get stronger as the fight goes on. But a lot of you Dragon Ball fans aren't paying attention to the very definition of what that means. Basically the longer Broly fights, the stronger he'll become. But let's say if there's some form of delay like trying to find Hulk. During that period, Broly's power stops increasing.
This is important because as long as Hulk's angry, his power constantly goes up. This might be difficult to swallow but there's actually more relating to his insane endurance that plays into that as well. For starters, as long he remains angry the basic stuff most living creatures do won't affect Hulk.
He actually could fight up to an entire week to still wanna keep going. This alone is level of stamina that doesn't exists within the Dragon Ball universe. Hulk obviously has more overall experience with DBS Broly not having much to go for research purposes. I will say this out of kindness, he has more going for him than Riptor & Rock Lee.
Hulk can adapt to anything he wants with plenty of ridiculous feats to back that up. For example, he can dig like a mole on steroid while beneath the ground I'm not kidding. Some of his fights notably shakes the world with feats to back this up. Obviously, Hulk is a confirmed planet destroyer.
World War Hulk was the highest record anger Hulk ever shown. Funny enough, more recently an insanely powerful version of Hulk called Cosmic Immortal Hulk. This particular version of Hulk is so powerful, he even defeated The One Above All. Now for those that may heard of or doesn't even know, The One Above All is essentially God.
The One Above All is the only thing more powerful than the Living Tribunal itself. Which is massively multiversal level of power with stuff to help back that up too. The power scaling isn't really necessary. This version of Broly is stronger than SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta and Golden Frieza.
It actually took SSB Gogeta to defeat him. All of them are more or less god level. Here's the sad, depressing truth to Dragon Ball fans. Yes, all of them are insanely powerful. But they are still short of Superman level characters like Silver Surfer. Even if they were on that level, many characters within that power class are god like in many ways.
Now let's bring in Galactus whose technically two power classes beyond that. Just using a small portion of his energy transformed people like Silver Surfer into Superman level beings. People like Odin & Thanos are still considered threats just no where near the insane level of power that Galactus has.
Keep in mind, around those power classes are definitively universal to possibly multiversal level of power. I say that because there isn't many power classes beyond the one with Galactus. Beyond him are mostly beings to help keep everything going within the balance like Death.
Beyond all of them is the Living Tribunal who easily has plenty of raw power to destroy universes. The entire point is Dragon Ball universe are lucky to one day officially be on Superman level class. Even if they were there, they still fail short for the obvious reasons. Now Hulk is a being that can overcome any opponent as long he remains angry.
One of his recurring enemies, The Abomination is usually more than twice as strong as Hulk. But loses majority of their fights is a testament to Hulk's insane strength. Oh I haven't even go to the really interesting stuff yet. Hulk can virtually survive anything you could possibly name.
Chances are a huge number of those that may apply to this fight is closed down to him. Not in the same way as Doomsday but you'll get the idea. The main reasons Hulk loss to Doomsday is he had no real way to putting him for good. Also, Doomsday adapts to just as many things as Hulk at a much faster rate.
This includes Doomsday being able to keep up with speedsters like The Flash. Which greatly allowed a mindless Doomsday to over whelm Hulk enough to kill him. However Broly likely won't since any major delays during a fight will prevent him from getting stronger.
Of course, Hulk held his own against a fellow planet destroyer rival, Thor. There's actual example he was once fighting with exploding planets & stars like it's nothing. This isn't something Dragon Ball characters have shown to do. Hulk also doesn't actually require oxygen to survive giving him a major advantage in this fight.
Yes, Hulk isn't what you may call an constantly developed character. In fact, there's a lot of confusion what to actually consider for some of his big fight debates such as this. There's times Hulk is dumber while other times has shown some form of intelligence. Obviously, the smarter versions could easily out think Broly.
Hulk once forced a nearly destroyed planet back together on himself to ended up saving it. Which lead to him becoming that race's new leader just before World War Hulk Arc happened. Broly does have aura that more or less acts like a force field. I actually found some proof that Hulk himself can destroy force fields with such claims.
One of which came from Dr. Doom himself. Whose virtually the second best science/magic user overall reputation. He once trapped him inside a force field he quotes that nothing in the universe could destroy it. Then you already figured out what happened. Hulk easily destroyed that force field surprising Dr. Doom.
Hulk has held his own against many powerful beings even some gods. I actually found two times that Galactus fired blasts at Hulk. Now Galactus is widely known for devouring planets. As stated before he's more on high universal level with his insane level of power. The really crazy part is Galactus usually shown in a hungry state.
There is little information about what a full powered Galactus would be. If I have to take a guess, Galactus would likely temporary be on multiversal level class. I say temporary due to his constant need of devouring planets to keep himself alive while being notably gigantic. If you think about it, both these characters are unusual for their species.
Broly had an unnatural amount of ki as well as having Legendary Super Saiyan form. In vice versa, Dr. Banner is a human that transform into his older self whose god like. Thus, his very existence on Earth ever since the day he became Hulk was unnatural to begin with. Most people that takes an fatal amount of radiation dies painful deaths.
Hulk can actually breath under the water removing any further options to kill him by suffocation. He survived re-entry from space a few times, he was clearly fine. If you think about it has survive the sun in a few ways as well removing killing him with heat. Now let's flip the temperature side to cold, sadly Broly isn't going to get far with that either.
As mentioned earlier, Hulk has ridiculous regeneration. He has survived all kind of things including stuff that shouldn't even be possible. A great example of this was a device to unmake anything it gets on. For a short while, it was working until Hulk's regeneration kicked in. I know what some of you are probably thinking.
"Broly could easily kill Dr. Banner if given the chance right?" Surprisingly, no because Hulk usually comes out when Dr. Banner's life in danger like the time he just got hit by a moving train. Rapidly transformed into Hulk to stop the train not long afterwards. Hulk has an unusual history of how fast he could transform from Dr. Banner.
Hell, one time Dr. Banner was severely burnt. But he was fully healed once he became Hulk shortly afterwards. A future Dr. Banner got devoured by insects then fully regenerated not long after that. Hulk has a more notable win/loss ratio since he's been around a lot longer. I deeply need to say DB usually keeps anime/manga characters with what's canon.
It is very likely they will be doing that two episodes in a row here. Now even if the non canon Broly were to get used. I still don't think he could kill him fully. Obviously, both of them can easily destroy planets. But Hulk did survive an Supernova created by Human Torch at point blank. He was fine but stopped rampaging thanks to his help.
An Supernova is much more than a massive ball of fire to some. An actual explosion that can destroy several stars & planets within it's path. We still haven't seen something this powerful within the Dragon Ball universe.. I do need to mention, there's only twelve universes in that multiverse while Marvel multiverse is essentially endless amount of universes.
For those that doesn't fully understand, we got a set number of universes for the Dragon Ball multiverse. Unless Grand Zenos wants to create or destroy more universes. There's a clear amount of universes which means a powerful enough force could potentially destroy it all much easier in comparison.
There's a lot of involve with trying to do that with an multiverse filled with infinite amounts of universes. Clearly, it means you'll need a ridiculous amount of force to destroy the multiverse. Which is way, way beyond the amount of force it would take out the Dragon Ball multiverse. Hulk can hold his own against adamantium and vibranium made stuff.
Both those metals are insanely durable. It may not be entirely clear what actually could destroy those types of metal. But Hulk had bitten and pulled off himself similar things made by them before with ease. A great example of this is all the times he fought Wolverine. Whose has fully has adamantium infused into his very skeleton including his claws.
I bring this up because anything made from those could harm Hulk. Otherwise, enough force could harm him as well. However, there's clear proof he can't be beaten to death. Which removes yet another option how Broly could kill him off the table. I know some of you are going to be like "Broly could blast him to pieces and not do anything about it claim."
Truthfully, when Hulk wants to do something, he gets it done. Which is one of the big reasons The Avengers themselves has trouble keeping him in check or even capturing him during his rampaging. Hulk can easily generate a lot of force a few ways. Overtime, Hulk likely going to become too much for him to handle with pure strength alone.
One of the biggest mistakes I see in people's claims is lifting and raw power may be types of power. But all of them work very differently from each other. Lifting involving well actually lifting things. Hulk once lifted an 150 billion tons mountain by himself. Raw power is the force of your attacks or how much could potentially take before being defeated.
Broly clearly has massive destructive potential as shown in one particular movie. But so does Hulk with more than enough to really back that up. Lifting however is something not as often used within the Dragon Ball feats. Yeah, you could lift a boulder with ki. But all you're actually doing is lifting the boulder with your ki not your actual strength.
Now Hulk has lifted all kind of things over the years. He is among 100+ tons class characters. Basically, these characters can easily go way better 100 tons. Hulk may not use ki, he still has a major one up on Broly in comparison. Broly was designed to virtually be the ultimate saiyan with ridiculous potential.
There actually exists a few versions of Hulk that could defeat Broly like Cosmic Immortal Hulk or Devil Hulk. Now granted, Devil Hulk was more of a mental being for Hulk than a physical one. Dr. Banner also gains some great advantages as well for having Hulk side. Hulk is immune to diseases as well as greatly uses up chemicals that aren't from his body.
Which greatly limits the option of drugging Hulk. Now this is more of something to happen in someone's parody of this fight than actually happening. Hulk held his own against Sentry who a Superman class character a few times. Even if Broly appears too fast for him. Hulk surprisingly has a history of getting caught up to people who actually thought they gotten away like Jack of Hearts.
I do see Hulk being able to do that at some point in this intense showdown. Hulk can easily survive in space while Broly likely dies without aura. I really could keep going on and on with a lot of reasons. I think it's time to end my argument. Hulk's regeneration greatly prevents Broly from killing him in most likely scenarios during an actual fight.
Hulk has superior physical strength by default. His anger simply removes his limitations of being a human possibly up to a week. Hulk can adapt to more things at a faster rate. Not to mention, if Broly were to stop fighting at any given time will stop increasing his power. I bring this up because the longer Broly fights, the less likely his endurance would give in.
The problem with that is as long Hulk remains angry, he'll constantly get stronger as the fight goes on. Even during that brief period making Hulk the worst out of the two to face in combat. Hulk usually doesn't fail to break anything especially when someone stated it can't be broken. Hulk can easily use his jumping or swimming to shorten the distance.
Broly is wearing battle armor that his species uses. But Hulk himself is virtually one of the toughest things in his universe to break. It doesn't even matter Broly can use his aura like a force field or constantly blow up parts of the universe. If Hulk is willing to fight back, he will regardless what may come his way.
Hulk not being able to fly actually an advantage because he can dig a tunnel rapidly in the ground. He also can easily surprise attack him with whatever he finds. Clearly, these two powerhouses are insanely powerful in different ways. Broly may have the raw power advantage. But lifting an 150 billion tons mountain is more impressive.
Also you could punch with more force but it just isn't the same as being punch by someone who can lift a lot more weight with ease in comparison. In other words, Hulk's punches will greatly hurt Broly especially overtime with his constant strength increase. Two particular enemies of his could not determine Hulk's strength limit.
We are talking about a man who once swim while carrying an island on his back, no this actually happened. Hulk's anger also determines the rate his strength goes up. If he's beyond piss like World War Hulk Arc, his strength is going up an insane rate. Broly is a trained saiyan warrior but he isn't as intelligent as Dr. Banner whose considered to be one of the smartest people on his planet.
Broly can't even count on diseases to kill Hulk since he's immune to them. Virtually, Broly has no choice but to fully destroy Hulk with a powerful blast. But the real question is could Broly generate enough energy to do that? Broly is more directly using his energy in comparison to Hulk. So a likely attack that potentially might kill Hulk is likely small solar system level.
Hulk had survived blasts from Galactus & an Supernova with ease. If Hulk could easily survive those than Broly likely can't fully destroy him. Not to mention, even the smallest part of him can fully regenerate his entire body with several feats to back that up. Hulk can easily survive the sun itself as well as the coldest things including the vacuum of space.
I know some people may mention "Broly broke several barriers during his fight with Gogeta." Believe it or not, Hulk has a few reality barrier breaking feats himself done more effortlessly in comparison. Not to mention, that happened because two insanely powerful beings fighting each other. Rather than the insane power of one to cause that. more of the case for Hulk's similar feats.
https://www.cbr.com/hulk-op-feats-of-strength/
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6ipe7m/respect_the_hulk_marvel_616/
I should point out, this also leaves to other Hulk feats pages easy to miss those.
Yes Hulk once did something to affect the multiverse.
Now I couldn't find a more direction picture relating to Cosmic Immortal Hulk defeating The One Above All.
I don't think it was necessary to talk about everything Hulk has done, that can make him better than Broly, since according to the trailer, they are using Devil Hulk.
ReplyDeleteAlso the things Broly has aren't actually that bad: like you said he's beaten Goku Vegeta and Frieza in their current strongest form (not talking about the manga), but like Goku said in the end of the movie he's maybe as strong or stronger than Beerus, which like the Beerus DB talked about, Goku on his Super Saiyan God form and Beerus almost destroyed the universe by creating waves from colliding their punches, and Goku is much stronger than he was during that fight, and Beerus wasn't even at full power either.
Also if they do end up using anything from non-canon Broly to compare to DBS Broly, it would be the fact that DBZ Broly was able to destroy a galaxy with ease.
Even all of this that I said, I still believe Hulk will win, sadly for me, but I still hope somehow Broly wins. Either way good job!
Also I kinda think it is rather mismatch, because it's rather soon for Broly to be in DB, after only appearing in one movie, specially against someone like Hulk, but whatever
I will be honest I haven't gotten into that manga series. But the fan base doesn't hold back from spoiling it. Devil Hulk is more of a mental threat than a physical one. But if he gains control, Broly will have lesser time to react to his attacks. Beerus was clearly holding back on purpose because he wanted to entertain the possibility of losing. Even if non canon Broly got mixed in, one version of Hulk is still way more powerful. I was actually expecting a more nasty bias response than what I got here. I will personally thank you for hearing me out first. Hulk's long history of ridiculous feats alone makes it a mismatch. Although, Broly is still going to give him a fight. I just know bias Dragon Ball fans aren't going to listen or openly ignore everything I'm saying. Which actually led to me stop writing prediction blogs in the first place. Also, heavily disappointed in the current season of Death Battle.
ReplyDeleteLooks like you were right about the Rock Lee vs Sanji fight, Sanji won
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, it was really disappointing, half of it is Marvel/DC fights
Hope next time they do more original and hype matches
I will still hope to see Broly win, even if it's not going to happen, sadly
There isn't many Marvel vs. DC fights left I actually want to see. When they did episodes like Guts vs. Nightmare, I was very happy. It seems like they are more openly selling out to the community. Rather than what they need to do to make their show better.
ReplyDeleteThe only Marvel characters I still want to see in a fight are Green Goblin, Black Cat and Sandman and from DC maybe Martian Man hunter, specially against Piccolo which some say is a stomp to Piccolo but I'm not sure about it
DeleteIsn't Guts vs Nightmare like really divided opinions some hate it and others love it, but yeah those times were better in terms of matches, now they focus on easier things or popular, which most know who will win in those cases
Black Cat is likely locked to face Catwoman. You probably already know that's a stomp. Sandman is debatable if he could actually die but a cameo sure. Green Goblin I'm kind mix about. I was very happy to see Carnage on their show. Martian Manhunter is more likely going to win against Piccolo. A lot of episodes are divided lol. I'm a huge Berserk fan as well as Soulcalibur fan. In fact, I been doing Tekken & Soulcalibur videos on YouTube. Anyway, I wouldn't mine seeing Galactus vs. Unicron. I really want Dio vs. Alucard which they sorta confirmed to happen in the next season.
DeleteWho stomps who, Black Cat to Catwoman?
ReplyDeleteAlso yeah I was wondering about Dio vs Alucard when was going to happen since they said it, and looks like is next season, I wonder if they will do more Jojo, lots of people want Giorno (Part 5) vs Joker (Persona 5), which sounds cool
black cat claps. catwoman should fight fujiko mine
DeleteHonestly that could happen as a DBX episode.
DeleteGiorno OMG what he can do is truly terrifying. Black Cat stomps Catwoman mostly stats wise as well as her bad luck power.
ReplyDeleteThat would be another Batman vs Spiderman fight, like the ones before where Spiderman characters win
DeleteWe already gotten four different versions of Spider-Man on the same show. I think it's time to focus on other characters. I would love to see Claymore.
DeleteI just came to say I really enjoy these death battle vs blogs from you it's entertaining to read. I would love more JoJo, and Persona characters though.
DeleteWow thank you man that means a lot. I am still a bit upset with a particular Naruto fan from the chat for Sanji vs Rock Lee episode. Otherwise, I am not sure which style people like more of. A full on prediction blog or what I recently been doing? Regardless, I already chosen fights that I know enough about I'll consider writing.
DeleteAlso Persona, I know a few people who knows Persona to a degree. As for JoJo, sure thing man. I will try to be creative with a few ideas. Like Pica vs. Yoshikage Kira blog. Hell I'll even consider suggestions. I done a couple great ideas from friends before.
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